=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= EDline Vol. 3, no. 5 (1 February 1998) Editorial mailing list Published by the Electric Editors =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Contents: Q & A---Previous queries [2ca] Word v. WordPerfect [2cg] Billions and trillions [2ck] Accentless English [2cm] Chaste v. celibate (Offshoot from: [6] Just for Fun) [2cn] Radio Free Europe (Offshoot from: [6] Just for Fun) Q & A---New queries [2co] Proofreading marks as a font? FYI [3bm] Web Indexing [3bn] Crown Copyright in the Information Age Business matters---New posting [4ag] Freelance opportunities [5] Bookmarks [6] Just for fun [8] Administration =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ---[2] Q & A --------------------------------------------------------- ** [2ca] Word v. WordPerfect Date: Tues, 27 Jan 1998 From: Judyth Mermelstein, Judyth_Mermelstein@babylon.montreal.qc.ca Simon Cauchi wrote: > Is WordPerfect capable of accommodating a whole book (of, say, > 120,000+ words) in a single document? It's possible, but I'd no more recommend it today than I would when the last word was WordStar on an Osborne. I can only speak with authority on WordPerfect 5.0-5.1 in this regard, but one of the main reasons I love WP5x is its "Master document" function which *actually works*, as opposed to Word's attempt to copy it. This makes it possible to break down a book into chapter-sized files for normal editing, translation or whatever without foregoing the benefit of running spell-checking or search-and-replace through the entire document at one go. The "master document" is simpy a file which names the chapter files (sub-documents) in the right order. You can then expand the master document so that you can run through the entire book quickly making consistent changes, then condense the master document again, which saves the changes in each chapter file. Also, the chapter files can be kept smaller and format inconsistencies avoided by applying the headers and footers, pagination, extra leading or whatever in the master document rather than in each chapter. To print in the correct format, expand the master document and voila! Note that I can do this with a whole normal-sized novel using WP5.0 for DOS on an IBM XT with 640K of RAM. A larger book, or one with a lot of table of contents items, tables and other coded items can be done in two master documents. People with slightly less obsolete equipment wouldn't have to split a book at all. I should say that I actually like Word 5.1 for the Macintosh, which is certainly better for questions of layout and graphics. I have used Word 6 and Word 7 for Windows and loathe them for their bugs and file-bloating; the TECHWR-L list has had a number of complaints about "features" which are too buggy to work, including their less-than-helpful version of master documents. ---------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 From: Simon Cauchi, cauchi@wave.co.nz Many thanks to all of you for your advice about WordPerfect for Mac users. A Mac version of WordPerfect is still available from my local Mac suppliers, but I'm told WordPerfect is not so well supported for the Mac as it is for PCs. The latest version for the Mac is version 3, whereas the latest version for the PC is version 8. I was indeed referring to onscreen editing, not DTP. Advanced Search is available in Word, but I don't know of any way to limit the search to a particular directory (or folder), only to a particular file type -- and I have innumerable Word documents on my hard drive. I suppose I could narrow the search by limiting it to files saved after and before specified dates and times, but I haven't yet tried that. Alternatively, I could remove all Word documents except the current one from my hard drive, saving them instead on Zip disks -- but I find it very handy to have them on my hard drive. What I take from the discussion is that as a Mac user I might as well continue with Word -- which I must say has given me very few problems. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [2cg] Billions and trillions Date: Tues, 27 Jan 1998 From: Richard Harris, 100131.3564@compuserve.com Okay, so if I have been reading this thread carefully, the order of use of these large numbers is (in ascending magnitude): million billion trillion quadrillion But what happens when we need to describe numbers larger than quadrillions? Do we use "quinrillion". And just what do these numbers look like in ones and zeros? My mind can cope with millions (1,000,000) and billions (1,000,000,000), but the others? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [2ck] Accentless English Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 From: Mark L. Levinson, mark@memco.co.il Let us not forget the dieresis ("diaeresis" to the aesthetes), seen within living memory on words like naive and cooperate. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [2cm] Chaste v. celibate (Offshoot from: [6] Just for Fun) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 From: David Ibbetson, ibbetson@idirect.com I seem to remember a rather rude song of which the punch-line made the point that somebody's mother's husband was celibate. ---------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 From: Bobster Falvey, rbf@myriad.its.unimelb.edu.au Susan Perry wrote: > The logic of Tony Forbes's argument (that celibacy is hereditary) > almost works. However, also by definition, a condition C is > hereditary if at least one parent of a person who has C also has > C. Therefore to prove that C is hereditary, it is necessary to > find a parent P with condition C and at least one child of P who > is afflicted with C. One could then get into a discussion of > intermittent celibacy, but I suspect that would be carrying the > logic of the ridiculous a little too far! Off the top of my head, so excuse me if I'm wrong, one can only be celibate if unmarried, otherwise one is said to be chaste. So, if one has remained celibate for a period time, marries, has children (who are themselves celibate, until they marry) and so on. Then it could be argued, albeit tennuously, that celibacy is inherited. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [2cn] Radio Free Europe (Offshoot from: [6] Just for Fun) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 From: David Ibbetson, ibbetson@idirect.com Christina Malkowska Zaba writes: > 'Radio Free Europe', based in Munich, existed during the Cold War and > after to broadcast from the West (particularly London), i.e. from > free Europe, to 'unfree' Europe: the countries behind the Iron > Curtain. It's closed down now, but in its time it was a lifeline to > millions as their only source of non-propaganda. My recollection of Radio Free Europe is that it was US controlled and broadcast US propaganda. While this was (and is) different from Soviet propaganda, it was most definitely propaganda. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [2co] Proofreading marks as a font? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 From: Daniell Morrisey, danny@recruitmedia.co.uk I have to write about proofreading and therefore make reference to BS mark-up. I have previously drawn some of the marks in Windows Paint and then pasted them into the document as a picture. However does anyone know if the two sets of marks (1958 and 1976) are available as a font? It would be incredibly useful if they were. ---[3] FYI ----------------------------------------------------------- ** [3bm] Web indexing Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 From: David Green, david@ninch.org An interesting announcement forwarded from the Visual Resources Association about a web indexing prize organized by the Australian Society of Indexers. Many readers might be interested in examining the websites organized by the winners. > FIRST: > Christobel Wescombe, Fisher Library, University of Sydney > Faculty of Education Internet Guide > < http://www.library.usyd.edu.au/Guides/Education > > > SECOND: > Ann Treacy, MRNet, Minneapolis, USA > An index for Minnesota web sites > < http://www.mnonline.org/uffda > > > THIRD: > Graham Greenleaf, Geoffrey King, Daniel Austin, AustLII, UTS and UNSW > Faculties of Law, Sydney > AustLII's World Law Index (including Project DIAL) > < http://www.austlii.edu.au/links/World/ > > > Full details on all entries are available at: > < http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/web97winners.html > > > It was a very hard choice between high powered Web database engines > and handcrafted annotated guides. There were some very good online > book indexes, some very good site indexes and several database indexes > such as for genealogy, computer crime and the FBI exceptional cases. > The breadth included Transformer fanfic (fan written fiction), Western > Australian aboriginal language handbooks, North Queensland special > catalogue subheadings. There were sites on Australian current affairs > with links to online newspapers, state library collations of links > related to their state and recreational networks of outlets for the > disabled. > > One thing is for sure: since last year there are many more > sophisticated methods for searching out and indexing large amounts of > online text. People are using databases and Web add-ons to their Word > processing to create these huge databases. The sheer mass of > information is making people either hand-sort the material using human > intellect or use large search engines to tie in all the loose ends. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [3bn] Crown Copyright in the Information Age Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 From: Neil Beagrie, neil.beagrie@ahds.ac.uk UK Government Consultation Paper This is likely to be of great interest to anyone using/wishing to use digital information produced by government agencies in the UK. A Green Paper entitled "Crown Copyright in the Information Age: A consultation document on access to public sector information ", Cm 3819, was released on 19 January 1998. The paper discusses Crown Copyright in the context of discussions on Freedom of Information and the growth of electronic information industries and invites responses. It can be viewed at: < http://www.hmso.gov.uk/document/cfuture.htm > Hard copies have been published by the Stationery Office and cost 9.75 pounds sterling. The Green Paper requests views on seven options for the future of Crown Copyright (from Retain to Abolish) and invites replies to 21 questions by the 31st March 1998. ---[4] Business matters ---------------------------------------------- ** [4ag] Freelance opportunities Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 From: Daniell Morrisey, danny@recruitmedia.co.uk I am a specialised editorial recruitment consultant who is looking to build my pools of career freelancers: * proofreaders (two years plus with BS mark up) * sub editors with QuarkXPress * sub editors with good understanding of financial terminology, particularly equities * copywriters with agency experience * editors with account handling * editors with HTML coding skills I would welcome CVs from anyone interested, along with details of the types of assignments they like and their rates. Our website is: < http://www.recruitmedia.co.uk > Recruit Media Ltd 20 Colebrooke Row London N1 8AP Tel: 0171 704 1227 Fax: 0171 704 1370 E-mail: info@recruitmedia.co.uk ----- [Moderators' note: by including this message, we do not endorse or make any judgement about the services provided by Recriut Media. We suggest that interested editors ascertain full details of the rates, commission, etc, for each project -- you know, the usual common sense stuff. ---IDB] ---[5] Bookmarks ----------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 From: Laura Pomeroy, info@taxbriefs.co.uk Electronic citations: It seems that the electronic citation Web site has been updated. I saw the following annoucement recently. > Nancy Crane and Xia Li, who published *Electronic Style: a guide to > citing electronic information* in 1993, maintain a website offering > their versions of MLA and APA style for electronic citations. Their > APA rules reside at > > < http://www.uvm.edu/~ncrane/estyles/apa.html > > > Neither is officially approved by the organizations in question, > though the MLA has just recently made available guidelines that > incorporate a good deal of what Crane and Li proposed. MLA Guidelines for Electronic Scholarly Editions: < http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/MLA/intro.html > Questions, comments, and suggestions should be addressed to: Electronic Scholarly Editions ---------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1998 From: Iain Brown, i_brown@compuserve.com E-mail Publishing Resource Centre: < http://www.emailpub.com/resource > ---[6] Just for fun -------------------------------------------------- "Lines from the slushpile", no. 19 My mind flew back in time to fathom the cause and effect of what I now had to face in grim retrospect. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ "Everyone needs an editor". no. 11 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 From: B. Jas Sutton, jastext@mnet.fr "The one thing I have learned about editing over the years is that you have to edit and publish out of your own tastes, enthusiasms, and concerns, and not out of notions or guesswork about what other people might like to read". -- Norman Cousins ---[8] Administration ------------------------------------------------ EDline provides the opportunity for a weekly online discussion of matters editorial and editorial business. * POSTING MESSAGES TO THE LIST All messages to be posted to the list should be sent to Iain Brown, at: i_brown@compuserve.com Include as the subject line, "EDline [topic]", where [topic] is the subject under discussion. Topics might include areas such as Grammar, Spelling, American English or Punctuation. Messages should be pertinent to the basic premise of the list; they may be withheld, or redirected if more pertinent to one of the other mailing lists. The spelling and grammar of messages will *not* be corrected, but some editing of length may be undertaken. Quoting from previous messages: quote as much as you need to make the context of your reply clear, but no more. * Administration All messages of a subscription or administrative nature should be directed to Jane Kerr, at: bywater@zetnet.co.uk with "EDline ADMIN" in the subject line. * To subscribe to Grapevine To subscribe to Grapevine, the discussion list concerned with matters computing, please e-mail Electric Editors at: ElectricEds@bigfoot.com with [Subscribe Grapevine] in the subject line. * To subscribe to LANGline To subscribe to LANGline, which discusses modern languages, translation and editing in non-English languages, please e-mail Electric Editors at: ElectricEds@bigfoot.com with [Subscribe LANGline] in the subject line. *Homepage and back issues: Visit the Electric Editors at: < http://www.ikingston.demon.co.uk/ee/home.htm > Back issues of all three mailing lists are available on the Mailing Lists archive page. --------- ** The views expressed in this mailing list are strictly those of the individual contributors, and do not necessarily reflect the views of the moderators or of the Electric Editors. ** Articles (c) 1998, by individual contributors Design (c) 1996, 1997 Iain Brown =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= END OF EDline 3.5 Next issue: 8 February 1998 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=