=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= EDline Vol. 5, no. 2 (16 January 2000) Editorial mailing list Published by the Electric Editors =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Contents: Q & A---previous queries [2iz] Proper names [2jc] Printer's imprint [2je] Editorial titles [2jg] Usage of 'who' Q & A---unanswered queries [2jd] BC and AD [2jf] Surtees Q & A---new query [2jh] Reference book for editing Business matters---new posting [4cu] Italian payment problems [6] Just for fun [8] Administration =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ---[2] Q & A --------------------------------------------------- ** [2iz] Proper names Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 From: Mike Heenan, heenan@cyberus.ca Robert Webb wrote: > (Not sure about Canadian or South African editors!) For Canadian usage my bibles are Katherine Barber's great new THE CANADIAN OXFORD DICTIONARY. Toronto, OUP, 1998; THE CANADIAN PRESS STYLEBOOK, Toronto, The Canadian Press, 11th ed., 1999 and CP CAPS AND SPELLING, Toronto, The Canadian Press, 1998, and common sense. ---------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 From: Elaine R. Firestone, elaine@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov Robert Webb wrote: > Conversely, in the US editors and writers change everything to > American English regardless, and don't see this as wrong. Please, please do not use such sweeping generalizations such as the above. This US editor would *never* change the name or spelling of an organization to adhere to US English spellings. No good editor worthy of the title would voluntarily do this. ---------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 From: Gillian Clarke, 101625.3601@compuserve.com With regard to spelling of proper names, one should NOT change their spelling but some organisations do. (I reckon it's just as unacceptable as altering Barbra Streisand's first name to Barbara; that's her name!) I'm still trying to get a couple of UK magazines to recognise that the World Health Organization spells its name with a z and should be printed as such regardless of their house style. Which reminds me, I must write an complain again! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [2jc] Printer's imprint Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 From: David Ibbetson, ibbetson@idirect.com Julie Leppard wrote: > Can anyone advise me whether it is obligatory to have the > printer's name and address printed in all books? This was a legal requirement from the time when printers were punished for seditious libels &c. I believe it was repealed after WW2, nevertheless I don't recollect seeing a UK book without this information. ---------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 From: Gillian Clarke, 101625.3601@compuserve.com As far as I'm aware, it is still a legal requirement in the UK. I believe it relates to libel law, in which the printer - as well as the author and publisher - may be sued by the person who feels him/herself to be libelled, so the name and at least general address of the printer are required. I've not ascertained whether this includes the typesetter - who, nowadays, is often someone different from the printer. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [2jd] BC and AD Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 From: Katie Purvis, Katie.Purvis@penguin.com.au I am editing a general history in which the author uses BC and AD with dates. This rouses me to ask where everybody is at with BC and AD. Is it becoming more usual and/or acceptable to use the culturally neutral BCE (Before Common Era) and CE (Common Era) instead? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [2je] Editorial titles Date: Thur, 13 Jan 2000 From: Graham Smith, smithg@btinternet.com Jennifer Margiotta wrote: > What are the general rules when assigning different editorial > titles for a publication? For instance, what is the difference > between an associate editor and an assistant editor? What are > the traditional duties associate or assistant editors perform? The assistant editor does the work - the associate editor demands the credit. Simple really... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [2jf] Surtees Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 From: Christine Headley, chps@globalnet.co.uk R S Surtees (1805-64) is well known in England for any number of books regarding one Jorrocks, a keen fox-hunter, to put it mildly. In a book I am proofreading on C18 garden design, and Vanbrugh in particular, there are several references to books published by The Surtees Society. Can anyone suggest a connection? A websearch with Metacrawler reveals that all Surtees Society publications have a connection with Yorkshire and points north (south of the Scottish border), but - why him? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [2jg] Usage of 'who' Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 From: Jane Kerr, bywater@zetnet.co.uk Chad Driscoll wrote: > I know "who" is a pronoun for people, but what if the > antecedent is a collective entity? I'm a music reviewer; I > think expressions like "the group who..." and the "award- > winning duo who" sound O.K. Am I wrong? I think this usage of "who" is OK, and I would also use "who" when referring to any group that can be regarded as a collection of individuals, such as a sports team. But one of my current bugbears is "who" applied to a company, which strikes me as sloppy and illiterate. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ** [2jh] Reference book for editing Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 From: Joan Juan, jjuan@doyma.es I have recently joined to Electric Editors. I have also started working recently for a biomedical Spanish editorial company. My background is biomedical research, namely health services research. I have unsuccessfully tried to find a reference book where I can read (and study) the different parts of editing. I would really appreciate if you could provide me with such references (if any). ---[4] Business matters --------------------------------------- ** [4cu] Italian payment problems Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 From: Ruth Nason, NASON@btinternet.com For the second time in the last five years, I have now been waiting SEVEN MONTHS for payment from an Italian book packaging company, DoGi. My contact there says that I am at the top of the list of people to be paid, once DoGi have been paid by their creditors. This is the same story that I was told on the previous occasion, and I did eventually receive the money I was owed. Can anyone give me any advice on how to make DoGi pay me now? (Please also be warned, for your own future reference!) ---[6] Just for fun ------------------------------------------- Date: Thur, 13 Jan 2000 From: Anne Waddingham, 100603.2646@compuserve.com My husband bought some software recently - the receipt reads: 'Shop with confidence this Christmas! Gifts purchased after 1st Dec may be changed or returned, no fuss until 12th Jan 2000.' I'm tempted to take it back, just to see what happens! Full-scale, carpet-chewing tantrum by the manager, perhaps? ---[8] Administration ------------------------------------------ EDline provides the opportunity for a weekly online discussion of matters editorial and editorial business. * POSTING MESSAGES TO THE LIST All messages to be posted to the list should be sent to Jane Kerr, at: bywater@zetnet.co.uk Include as the subject line, "EDline [topic]", where [topic] is the subject under discussion. Topics might include areas such as Grammar, Spelling, American English or Punctuation. 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